I've heard Charles Eisenstein talk about why intentional communities often don't really work. He says that for community to happen, we have to actually need each other. Community is something we want, but it is hard as well, and it seems that the desire for it is, by itself, not enough to sustain it. We have to actually *need* it for our survival. And of course today we don't need it for our survival, because we can pay for our own place and pay others to deliver our food, etc.
But obviously we only appear to not need others, because we can't actually survive in any way on our own. It is just the need has come to be mediated by money, which creates the illusion of not needing others, the illusion that we can have everything that we want. I think that one of the things that will have to happen for change is that we will have to actually need each other again.
Great Post, there is much to ponder here but I'm going to pick up on the bit about community. This concept is a half-remembered dream, it seems to me. I live in a small village and the problem we increasingly have is that everyone wants what they want, and has no consideration for the wants or needs of others. The view of community is "people who agree with me and do what I want". We have forgotten how to be a community and that is, to my mind, because we have no common values or societal structure now, we have only "my truth". Christianity used to provide that structure, the glue which held us together. But that kind of structure means sacrificing "my truth" to "the truth" and no-one wants to do that. Community can be likened to a rose garden - fragrant and beautiful but roses also have thorns. Everyone wants the pretty flowers but not the thorns that go with them.
When one gets lost in the woods, the first thing they do is go back, they retrace their steps until things make sense again. Communities are the answer, corporations are not. Everyone enjoys good company, corporations not so much
"I live in a small village" I have seen small towns and communities. In USA we don't refer to places here as villages that I know of. What you describe is lacking what I thought a village needs. Like everyone pitches in and uses their effort to assist everyone. Well that's not good what's going on there so how does such a village not disperse. I've heard Celeste Solum say, and I'm paraphrasing,that those communities ppl talk about where ppl are like-minded and work to a common end- won't exist. Maybe there'll be outliers but she's probably right.
Village communities like that don't really exist, in my experience. But there was a time I would have known the names of all of my neighbours - not now. We all live in individual worlds now.
I say, in ignorance of the greater concept and speaking only from the place I live, that there are villages that do still exist. Where people meet at the garbage dump on Saturday mornings, where it’s common for the rest of your Saturday to be spent helping neighbours and friends with tasks or chores if they are ill. The edges might well though be fraying and the cover thinning. But right now, people are somewhat eager participants in the community, the skating rink, the fire department, the tourism board, the community centre. I’m curious as to what will come but in the meantime we will still oblige our neighbours in needing us and us then. But our village may well be the tiniest mentioned here at 200?
We are here for the long haul, and all up in each other’s business. And I think the best we can do is tell stories to our children so they see the land imbued with other people, volunteer (as firefighters, church members, and whatever else), have regular suppers and coffee with people in our home, meet for beers, and if we drive by and see a need, stop and ask. Mostly it means less talking and just showing up physically? Even if you kinda hate the guy next to you, you just do what needs doing.
Nice to hear from you, Jack! This post made me think of Dougald Hine's book, At Work in the Ruins. Although you were not advocating work, but rather stillness and silence, I get that. One of the tasks that Dougald identifies for us to do here in the ruins is "practicing being human together."
This may be due to the fact that, as you say, you are not inclined to optimism, and perhaps I am a little more inclined to it... or just lucky; You sound a little too discouraged or downcast or hopeless, or something. I mean, if we are people of faith we know that things are in God's hands and that things are as they should be, and we are loved. Are you sure you have done all you can to 'exit that door' so to speak? Maybe some satisfactory way will open up for you to live as fully human with other humans somehow. I am still working to get away and simultaneously experiencing much of what you wrote about. I feel like my efforts have not directly brought about what I intended but something is slowly moving toward whatever it should be for our family. That may be the farming idea or it may be a renewed commitment to the flawed place and people we are now with. The unknowing is certainly like a desert. I feel unsettled in one way but in another the utmost tranquil certainty that it will be Right.
Love this line:
" There are all kinds of ruins and all kinds of ways to live in and among them.¹⁷ The question, as I see it, is not if we will live there but how soon we will do so, and in what sort of desolation?"
Oh, and one more annoyingly positive thing I wanted to say. I heard this from Dougald Hine also, I think. He said of his 7yo son, "He was born for these times." I like to say that about my kids, and about myself. It helps fight against the temptation to feel unfortunate or something, or like there was some mistake and we don't belong here in this darkness.
Clara- Good to hear from you. I was wondering when you'd pop up!
Funny thing is that I am not really discouraged at all--other than the 'normal' ups and downs of life. I am greatly encouraged, I think. I was also made for these dark times and am starting to thrive in a new way now that I can more fully embrace that.
This post is a first pass, and I admit I do go about writing these in a non-linear and implicit way. I was never trained as a writer and never paid attention much in school. I was trained as a musician, and this is how I go about structuring things--almost as a piece of music.
Whether that's good or bad I don't know, but that's how my mind works, such as it is.
We will see where this goes. And it is good to have optimists in the mix...it keeps me honest.
Disillusionment, yes--the often close cousin to despair. But I don't think this post came from a place of despair. Being able to just come out and say it is enlivening to me. Go figure.
Thank you, beautiful post. I had a fight with my father about these things, about writing and reading on the internet, about searching for silence and about wanting to do something to help. But, trying to do something to help means for me reading and writing online, because I do not have a real, physical community where to do so. Community is a word that sometimes makes me gag. It is used too much and has lost meaning. I am a foreigner in a foreign land full of other foreigners trying to adapt to a foreign culture that tries to impose on us how to live and tells us that everything we knew until now is wrong because it is different. We are all lost looking around trying to find solid ground to stand but cannot find it. Our ground is too far away. Community, in this global world, we only find it online, even if it is not real. Villages and small towns are like faraway fairytales of which we are excluded. So, even if the internet community of Substack is a fantasy, it is something.
Hope you are well. Is the gestation of your next writing close to bring finished? I just read through the comments here, you have attracted an erudite group! 2 Peter 1:2 has been meaningful to me today. One of the effects of the Holy Spirit that happen is a generation of a simultaneous knowing of the Father and the Son. Cross reference John 4:14 and John 17:3. It happened in Acts 7:55-56. You receive a strengthening love in a vibrant quiet.
I just realized as I write this I have been given the privilege of having blocks of time in my life where I can be uselessly with God and not have it be an inconvenience to the real needs of others. So I realized I am not being an irresponsible waster of time like other times in my life where that would have been the case. So I will not endeavor to fill these blocks of time with entertainments , working on the to do list, deeds of service to others. All of which I do plenty of in any case.
Freedom! “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”
When you were at the monastery, did y’all ever study Romans 13? Love to hear the analysis in light of where we find ourselves right now. Either that didn’t age well or I’m misinterpreting it.
Wiley- I am no Thomist, but I have read Aquinas on the law and that "an unjust law is no law" and when we have a right/obligation to obey or not. Much more subtle, in my view, than Paul, who seems to be simply saying OBEY. Though considering where we've arrived already and likely seem to be headed, maybe its time for me to dust off some Thoreau on the topic.
I look at much of the injunctions in scripture as differing medicines for differing situations. I could run through the Bible and gather scriptures to back up rebellion and resistance or the reverse. To know what to do and be, using the scriptures as guidance needs that heavenly touch of wisdom from the Holy Spirit. We are to be truth tellers and lie and deceive as appropriate. “gentle as a dove and wily as a serpent”
Jack I don't know if you have ever come across the Irish continental philosopher William Desmond, I think he can give us a helpful diagnostics of wider world at large, and maybe even open up a path forward, in his writings he coins the phrase the "double face of modernity", when Desmond speaks of the 'double face of modernity', he claims it manifests itself in a twofold process off the "objectification of being and the subjectivisation of value', what Desmond means by this is as follows,
Being is objectified in that it is neutralised or devalued or evacuated - emptied of any value or goodness in itself - and made into a "merely empirical" mechanism. The subjectivication of value comes about as there is a "revaluation" of value in terms of human self-determination that comes to see the supreme value as freedom understood in terms of human autonomy - ultimately flowering to reveal its core in the will to power.
Or to put it differently,
The objectification of being serves the purposes of the subjectification of value (for there is no other value but that imposed upon the world by human power), while the subjectification of value drives the objectification of being (for humans cannot be truly autonomous if there is any value or good other than which they create). The end result is an instrumentalized ethos in which being has value only insofar as it serves human will to power.
So the objectification of being turns being into nothing but an empty mechanism of which we can instrumentalist for our own ends, but by creating this oppositional stance between being and goodness, being and worth, all our values are nothing but valueless, which opens the world up to a form of nihilism, because as Desmond concludes, if we uphold this oppositional stance in relation to the ethos of being, this can only lead to the end result of that the only value in the universe is the product of worthless humanity's inherently valueless valuations.
I feel that this is a pertinent prognosis of the world at large because this be honest the god of the world today is 'autonomy', we can do whatever we please, we can abort a fetus because it is my body, I can go against my biology and say yes my biology may signify I'm a man, by my gender says I'm a woman, I can have the right to say when I should die, or we talk about climate change and how we need to change are ways, but if there is no correspondence between being and goodness then really why should I care, because there is so much pain, suffering, evil in the world and this be honest if the world has no thought about me why should I have a thought about it and so on and so on, or in other words, I am an autonomous human being, I am the master of my life, my body, but as Desmond points out if being is nothing but an empirical mechanism, of which there is no correspondence between being and goodness, then these so-called worth statement which affirm me, my autonomous self are also worthless, valueless, fictions of our own making, so the only means by which we can have worth, is if being and goodness are one, but if this is the case then we have to then come to the realisation that there is no autonomous self, that itself is a fiction, because are being is a gift, are being is borrowed, we do not have ownership of ourselves, and by coming to that realisation of our impoverished-ness, then that might be the means for us then to see the worth in one another, and open us to different why of being which is not about acquisition, but to see each other as gift, which will open us further to the gift giver our creator, who is the ground of our being, because that creator is closer to us than we are to ourselves.
I have grappled with the work of Gabriel Marcel for years, and I think some of it has gotten through to me. It forms a background to a lot of what I am trying to say. It seems parallel to Desmond if not exactly similar.
William Desmond as a thinker had probably been neglected simply because he a first and foremost a metaphysical thinker and the so called postmodern condition is a deeply anti-metaphysical perspective, but for me his metaphysics put a spotlight on the many caricatures that are presented by postmodernism, because Desmond himself makes for me a valid case that postmodernism, is just the completion of modernism, it is just a nothing but hyper-modernism, rather than postmodern, if that term itself has any real validity to be honest. But he is a Thinker who is well worth your time, and I think his prognosis of the current cultural malaise is for me spot on.
I have never actually read anything by Gabriel Marcel, I do know the name, any of his books you would particularly recommend.
Yeah all is well with myself considering, hows everything with yourself, Jack? How you finding being back in civilisation?
I tend towards viewing 'postmodernism' i.e., deconstruction, etc. as simply completing the modern project by playing it out fully. In other words dismantling and showing it empty from the beginning. To be truly post modern--is to have gone through that and come out the other side (perplexed) and looking for something other and outside modernism. In that sense, I consider myself fully post modern. Though I realize that confuses terminology.
If you are looking to take a look at Marcel the place to begin is his Philosophy and Existentialism, particularly the essay On the Ontological Mystery. His magnum opus, as it were, is the 2 vol. The Mystery of Being. His Man against Mass Society is also worth wading into, I think.
Civilization is fraught. Giving the choice, I'd rather be on the fringes. But here I am.
Yeah Jack, I would call myself postmodern to an extent, but I think reading Desmond has opened up to me the pit falls of a postmodern imagination, simply because postmodernism can only ever be the other side of the coin of modernity. What I mean by that is that modernity can only univocalize Being, cut it down to size so humanity can use it for its own will to power, but the other side of the coin is that postmodernity can only view Being equivocally, in that Being is now totally other, so in other words as my earlier post stated, both modernity and postmodernity are more similar than you think simply because both end up rejecting any correspondence between Being and goodness, Being and worth, even though particularly the postmodernist like to put so much worth on otherness, difference, of which they tell I am called to be obligated to this so-called other, but if there is no correspondence between Being and goodness/worth where does the postmodernist get this sense of worth/otherness from, and most importantly why should be obligated to their call because it is nothing but empty talk, empty rhetoric, and there is no reason why I should be obligated to anyone and anything, we are back again with humanities valueless values, hence why Desmond can only conclude that all this postmodern talk is nothing but hyper-modern.
A good book to read that brings this out is Christopher Ben Simpson's book, Religion, metaphysics and the postmodern, were is takes Desmond's metaxological metaphysics and uses it to put narrative the anti-metaphysical deconstructive radical hermeneutics of John Caputo. It is also a good book that gives an accessible overview of Desmond's thought.
Desmond seems relevant and interesting. I will look into him when I can.
As an aside, have you any knowledge of Ferdinand Ulrich? He is surely well beyond my meagre depths. But the title of his supposed masterwork 'Homo Abyssus' draws me nonetheless. I have requested a copy of DC Schindler's companion guide and will take a.look.
I have come across the author and the book in passing, but like yourself it would probably be beyond my intelligence, let me know what you think when you read it Jack, would be interested to know what you think. Have you ever read any books by David Bentley Hart, he's an orthodox theologian/philosopher?
Thank you for the idea of silence as holy uselessness. Utility is greatly overrated and has a splintering effect. Whereas silence is whole and just is.
Just came across this from Andrew McLuhan's Substack. It is from a very little-known Marshall McLuhan essay published in a very little-known journal ‘Neurotica’ in 1955:
“The process of renewal can’t come from above. It can only take the form of reawakened critical faculties. The untrancing of millions of individuals by millions of individual acts of the will. Psychological decentralization. A merely provisional image of how it might (not how it should) occur could be formed by supposing every mechanical agency of communication in the world to be suspended for six months. No press. No radio. No movies. [No smartphones. No Internet.] Just people finding out who lived near them. Forming small communities within big cities. It would be agony. All psychological drugs cut off. No capsulated thoughts or melodies. To say that anything like this could never happen, or that it should never be allowed to happen, is a remark worthy of those mesmerized practical men who are efficiently arranging for the obsequies of our world’s mind and body alike. If something like this doesn’t happen it is quite plain what will happen.”
Thought provoking. I think community does exist: I participate in several thing I would call community. But what doesn’t exist for me, in a sense that I can grasp it with my mind anyway, is a community that encompasses all those smaller communities. It’s like I have little ways of belonging amid the ruins, along with others. I don’t know if we consciously recognize each other as part of some metaphysical reality, but we can recognize and participate in the work we do together.
Is the bigger sense of community possible? When I look at my family history, both sides, for the past 100 years or so (I don’t know much more) it looks like everything breaking down. There is no obvious, better way my forebears were doing things that I should emulate. Or even if they were doing something right, why did it not last beyond a generation?
On the other hand, I could see my various family, and my husband’s family as well, because now we are connected, as survivors. Of something. And perhaps my children can carry on surviving. Which, as Alice Munro reminds us, is not the same as being miserable. It is much more interesting.
On darkness and revelation, there's Henry Corbin's meditation "Theology by the Lakeside" which presents the vision that guided his lifetime exploration of mystical Islam. Tom Cheetham has it on his Substack "as variously as possible".
Rob- Thank you for the links. Illich is such a profound and subtle thinker. He saw it clearly 40 years ago and I am just now catching up! I will look into the Corbin essay. -Jack
Re: "Learning to see in the dark" - "Silence is naturally present." [Martin Laird] "Awareness is the eye of silence." [Martin Laird] "When you come to the conclusion that…awareness…does not dwell in or take support on anything whatsoever, rest right there." [Gerardo Abboud] "The silent mind knows that what sees the fear, the pain, the inner chaos, is free of the fear, pain, or chaos." [Martin Laird] "In the very natural condition of your mind, that state of things as they are, there is not the slightest taint, obscuration or anything considered impure that needs to be eliminated or expelled." [Gerardo Abboud] "Therefore, with trust and conviction, with joy and determination, remain in silence and rest in composure." [Gerardo Abboud]
This was beautiful. May we indeed learn to 'see in the dark'. When we get far enough from the artificial lights, the Heavens shine and may well guide our way.
Thank you, Jack, for this magnificent post, which gives me much to ponder.
I've heard Charles Eisenstein talk about why intentional communities often don't really work. He says that for community to happen, we have to actually need each other. Community is something we want, but it is hard as well, and it seems that the desire for it is, by itself, not enough to sustain it. We have to actually *need* it for our survival. And of course today we don't need it for our survival, because we can pay for our own place and pay others to deliver our food, etc.
But obviously we only appear to not need others, because we can't actually survive in any way on our own. It is just the need has come to be mediated by money, which creates the illusion of not needing others, the illusion that we can have everything that we want. I think that one of the things that will have to happen for change is that we will have to actually need each other again.
Great Post, there is much to ponder here but I'm going to pick up on the bit about community. This concept is a half-remembered dream, it seems to me. I live in a small village and the problem we increasingly have is that everyone wants what they want, and has no consideration for the wants or needs of others. The view of community is "people who agree with me and do what I want". We have forgotten how to be a community and that is, to my mind, because we have no common values or societal structure now, we have only "my truth". Christianity used to provide that structure, the glue which held us together. But that kind of structure means sacrificing "my truth" to "the truth" and no-one wants to do that. Community can be likened to a rose garden - fragrant and beautiful but roses also have thorns. Everyone wants the pretty flowers but not the thorns that go with them.
When one gets lost in the woods, the first thing they do is go back, they retrace their steps until things make sense again. Communities are the answer, corporations are not. Everyone enjoys good company, corporations not so much
Farm markets, buy local, support independent businesses
"I live in a small village" I have seen small towns and communities. In USA we don't refer to places here as villages that I know of. What you describe is lacking what I thought a village needs. Like everyone pitches in and uses their effort to assist everyone. Well that's not good what's going on there so how does such a village not disperse. I've heard Celeste Solum say, and I'm paraphrasing,that those communities ppl talk about where ppl are like-minded and work to a common end- won't exist. Maybe there'll be outliers but she's probably right.
Village communities like that don't really exist, in my experience. But there was a time I would have known the names of all of my neighbours - not now. We all live in individual worlds now.
I say, in ignorance of the greater concept and speaking only from the place I live, that there are villages that do still exist. Where people meet at the garbage dump on Saturday mornings, where it’s common for the rest of your Saturday to be spent helping neighbours and friends with tasks or chores if they are ill. The edges might well though be fraying and the cover thinning. But right now, people are somewhat eager participants in the community, the skating rink, the fire department, the tourism board, the community centre. I’m curious as to what will come but in the meantime we will still oblige our neighbours in needing us and us then. But our village may well be the tiniest mentioned here at 200?
I think you're lucky! Hope you keep it that way.
We are here for the long haul, and all up in each other’s business. And I think the best we can do is tell stories to our children so they see the land imbued with other people, volunteer (as firefighters, church members, and whatever else), have regular suppers and coffee with people in our home, meet for beers, and if we drive by and see a need, stop and ask. Mostly it means less talking and just showing up physically? Even if you kinda hate the guy next to you, you just do what needs doing.
That's encouraging!
Nice to hear from you, Jack! This post made me think of Dougald Hine's book, At Work in the Ruins. Although you were not advocating work, but rather stillness and silence, I get that. One of the tasks that Dougald identifies for us to do here in the ruins is "practicing being human together."
This may be due to the fact that, as you say, you are not inclined to optimism, and perhaps I am a little more inclined to it... or just lucky; You sound a little too discouraged or downcast or hopeless, or something. I mean, if we are people of faith we know that things are in God's hands and that things are as they should be, and we are loved. Are you sure you have done all you can to 'exit that door' so to speak? Maybe some satisfactory way will open up for you to live as fully human with other humans somehow. I am still working to get away and simultaneously experiencing much of what you wrote about. I feel like my efforts have not directly brought about what I intended but something is slowly moving toward whatever it should be for our family. That may be the farming idea or it may be a renewed commitment to the flawed place and people we are now with. The unknowing is certainly like a desert. I feel unsettled in one way but in another the utmost tranquil certainty that it will be Right.
Love this line:
" There are all kinds of ruins and all kinds of ways to live in and among them.¹⁷ The question, as I see it, is not if we will live there but how soon we will do so, and in what sort of desolation?"
--Clara
Oh, and one more annoyingly positive thing I wanted to say. I heard this from Dougald Hine also, I think. He said of his 7yo son, "He was born for these times." I like to say that about my kids, and about myself. It helps fight against the temptation to feel unfortunate or something, or like there was some mistake and we don't belong here in this darkness.
Clara- Good to hear from you. I was wondering when you'd pop up!
Funny thing is that I am not really discouraged at all--other than the 'normal' ups and downs of life. I am greatly encouraged, I think. I was also made for these dark times and am starting to thrive in a new way now that I can more fully embrace that.
This post is a first pass, and I admit I do go about writing these in a non-linear and implicit way. I was never trained as a writer and never paid attention much in school. I was trained as a musician, and this is how I go about structuring things--almost as a piece of music.
Whether that's good or bad I don't know, but that's how my mind works, such as it is.
We will see where this goes. And it is good to have optimists in the mix...it keeps me honest.
I hope you are all well. -Jack
I'm glad to hear that I was mistaken in sensing despair in your words.
Disillusionment, yes--the often close cousin to despair. But I don't think this post came from a place of despair. Being able to just come out and say it is enlivening to me. Go figure.
Thank you, beautiful post. I had a fight with my father about these things, about writing and reading on the internet, about searching for silence and about wanting to do something to help. But, trying to do something to help means for me reading and writing online, because I do not have a real, physical community where to do so. Community is a word that sometimes makes me gag. It is used too much and has lost meaning. I am a foreigner in a foreign land full of other foreigners trying to adapt to a foreign culture that tries to impose on us how to live and tells us that everything we knew until now is wrong because it is different. We are all lost looking around trying to find solid ground to stand but cannot find it. Our ground is too far away. Community, in this global world, we only find it online, even if it is not real. Villages and small towns are like faraway fairytales of which we are excluded. So, even if the internet community of Substack is a fantasy, it is something.
Hope you are well. Is the gestation of your next writing close to bring finished? I just read through the comments here, you have attracted an erudite group! 2 Peter 1:2 has been meaningful to me today. One of the effects of the Holy Spirit that happen is a generation of a simultaneous knowing of the Father and the Son. Cross reference John 4:14 and John 17:3. It happened in Acts 7:55-56. You receive a strengthening love in a vibrant quiet.
I just realized as I write this I have been given the privilege of having blocks of time in my life where I can be uselessly with God and not have it be an inconvenience to the real needs of others. So I realized I am not being an irresponsible waster of time like other times in my life where that would have been the case. So I will not endeavor to fill these blocks of time with entertainments , working on the to do list, deeds of service to others. All of which I do plenty of in any case.
Freedom! “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”
I am doing well. Writing to you quickly at work. I think I have an idea about what my next post will be, but I am still sorting it out. I am slow.
I am glad to hear you are doing well and with ample free time to boot. Most excellent!
I will check out the ch. and v. you recommend.
When you were at the monastery, did y’all ever study Romans 13? Love to hear the analysis in light of where we find ourselves right now. Either that didn’t age well or I’m misinterpreting it.
Wiley- I am no Thomist, but I have read Aquinas on the law and that "an unjust law is no law" and when we have a right/obligation to obey or not. Much more subtle, in my view, than Paul, who seems to be simply saying OBEY. Though considering where we've arrived already and likely seem to be headed, maybe its time for me to dust off some Thoreau on the topic.
I think you are right, it didn't age well. -Jack
I look at much of the injunctions in scripture as differing medicines for differing situations. I could run through the Bible and gather scriptures to back up rebellion and resistance or the reverse. To know what to do and be, using the scriptures as guidance needs that heavenly touch of wisdom from the Holy Spirit. We are to be truth tellers and lie and deceive as appropriate. “gentle as a dove and wily as a serpent”
Jack I don't know if you have ever come across the Irish continental philosopher William Desmond, I think he can give us a helpful diagnostics of wider world at large, and maybe even open up a path forward, in his writings he coins the phrase the "double face of modernity", when Desmond speaks of the 'double face of modernity', he claims it manifests itself in a twofold process off the "objectification of being and the subjectivisation of value', what Desmond means by this is as follows,
Being is objectified in that it is neutralised or devalued or evacuated - emptied of any value or goodness in itself - and made into a "merely empirical" mechanism. The subjectivication of value comes about as there is a "revaluation" of value in terms of human self-determination that comes to see the supreme value as freedom understood in terms of human autonomy - ultimately flowering to reveal its core in the will to power.
Or to put it differently,
The objectification of being serves the purposes of the subjectification of value (for there is no other value but that imposed upon the world by human power), while the subjectification of value drives the objectification of being (for humans cannot be truly autonomous if there is any value or good other than which they create). The end result is an instrumentalized ethos in which being has value only insofar as it serves human will to power.
So the objectification of being turns being into nothing but an empty mechanism of which we can instrumentalist for our own ends, but by creating this oppositional stance between being and goodness, being and worth, all our values are nothing but valueless, which opens the world up to a form of nihilism, because as Desmond concludes, if we uphold this oppositional stance in relation to the ethos of being, this can only lead to the end result of that the only value in the universe is the product of worthless humanity's inherently valueless valuations.
I feel that this is a pertinent prognosis of the world at large because this be honest the god of the world today is 'autonomy', we can do whatever we please, we can abort a fetus because it is my body, I can go against my biology and say yes my biology may signify I'm a man, by my gender says I'm a woman, I can have the right to say when I should die, or we talk about climate change and how we need to change are ways, but if there is no correspondence between being and goodness then really why should I care, because there is so much pain, suffering, evil in the world and this be honest if the world has no thought about me why should I have a thought about it and so on and so on, or in other words, I am an autonomous human being, I am the master of my life, my body, but as Desmond points out if being is nothing but an empirical mechanism, of which there is no correspondence between being and goodness, then these so-called worth statement which affirm me, my autonomous self are also worthless, valueless, fictions of our own making, so the only means by which we can have worth, is if being and goodness are one, but if this is the case then we have to then come to the realisation that there is no autonomous self, that itself is a fiction, because are being is a gift, are being is borrowed, we do not have ownership of ourselves, and by coming to that realisation of our impoverished-ness, then that might be the means for us then to see the worth in one another, and open us to different why of being which is not about acquisition, but to see each other as gift, which will open us further to the gift giver our creator, who is the ground of our being, because that creator is closer to us than we are to ourselves.
Garreth- I don't believe I had heard of William Desmond. From your overview I think he is dead on. I will look into him further.
I found this, for starters: https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/when-wonder-strikes-william-desmonds-metaphysics-of-excess/
I have grappled with the work of Gabriel Marcel for years, and I think some of it has gotten through to me. It forms a background to a lot of what I am trying to say. It seems parallel to Desmond if not exactly similar.
How are you?
-Jack
William Desmond as a thinker had probably been neglected simply because he a first and foremost a metaphysical thinker and the so called postmodern condition is a deeply anti-metaphysical perspective, but for me his metaphysics put a spotlight on the many caricatures that are presented by postmodernism, because Desmond himself makes for me a valid case that postmodernism, is just the completion of modernism, it is just a nothing but hyper-modernism, rather than postmodern, if that term itself has any real validity to be honest. But he is a Thinker who is well worth your time, and I think his prognosis of the current cultural malaise is for me spot on.
I have never actually read anything by Gabriel Marcel, I do know the name, any of his books you would particularly recommend.
Yeah all is well with myself considering, hows everything with yourself, Jack? How you finding being back in civilisation?
I tend towards viewing 'postmodernism' i.e., deconstruction, etc. as simply completing the modern project by playing it out fully. In other words dismantling and showing it empty from the beginning. To be truly post modern--is to have gone through that and come out the other side (perplexed) and looking for something other and outside modernism. In that sense, I consider myself fully post modern. Though I realize that confuses terminology.
If you are looking to take a look at Marcel the place to begin is his Philosophy and Existentialism, particularly the essay On the Ontological Mystery. His magnum opus, as it were, is the 2 vol. The Mystery of Being. His Man against Mass Society is also worth wading into, I think.
Civilization is fraught. Giving the choice, I'd rather be on the fringes. But here I am.
Yeah Jack, I would call myself postmodern to an extent, but I think reading Desmond has opened up to me the pit falls of a postmodern imagination, simply because postmodernism can only ever be the other side of the coin of modernity. What I mean by that is that modernity can only univocalize Being, cut it down to size so humanity can use it for its own will to power, but the other side of the coin is that postmodernity can only view Being equivocally, in that Being is now totally other, so in other words as my earlier post stated, both modernity and postmodernity are more similar than you think simply because both end up rejecting any correspondence between Being and goodness, Being and worth, even though particularly the postmodernist like to put so much worth on otherness, difference, of which they tell I am called to be obligated to this so-called other, but if there is no correspondence between Being and goodness/worth where does the postmodernist get this sense of worth/otherness from, and most importantly why should be obligated to their call because it is nothing but empty talk, empty rhetoric, and there is no reason why I should be obligated to anyone and anything, we are back again with humanities valueless values, hence why Desmond can only conclude that all this postmodern talk is nothing but hyper-modern.
A good book to read that brings this out is Christopher Ben Simpson's book, Religion, metaphysics and the postmodern, were is takes Desmond's metaxological metaphysics and uses it to put narrative the anti-metaphysical deconstructive radical hermeneutics of John Caputo. It is also a good book that gives an accessible overview of Desmond's thought.
Desmond seems relevant and interesting. I will look into him when I can.
As an aside, have you any knowledge of Ferdinand Ulrich? He is surely well beyond my meagre depths. But the title of his supposed masterwork 'Homo Abyssus' draws me nonetheless. I have requested a copy of DC Schindler's companion guide and will take a.look.
I have come across the author and the book in passing, but like yourself it would probably be beyond my intelligence, let me know what you think when you read it Jack, would be interested to know what you think. Have you ever read any books by David Bentley Hart, he's an orthodox theologian/philosopher?
Thank you for the idea of silence as holy uselessness. Utility is greatly overrated and has a splintering effect. Whereas silence is whole and just is.
Just came across this from Andrew McLuhan's Substack. It is from a very little-known Marshall McLuhan essay published in a very little-known journal ‘Neurotica’ in 1955:
“The process of renewal can’t come from above. It can only take the form of reawakened critical faculties. The untrancing of millions of individuals by millions of individual acts of the will. Psychological decentralization. A merely provisional image of how it might (not how it should) occur could be formed by supposing every mechanical agency of communication in the world to be suspended for six months. No press. No radio. No movies. [No smartphones. No Internet.] Just people finding out who lived near them. Forming small communities within big cities. It would be agony. All psychological drugs cut off. No capsulated thoughts or melodies. To say that anything like this could never happen, or that it should never be allowed to happen, is a remark worthy of those mesmerized practical men who are efficiently arranging for the obsequies of our world’s mind and body alike. If something like this doesn’t happen it is quite plain what will happen.”
Perfect. McLuhan was truly a genius.
Thought provoking. I think community does exist: I participate in several thing I would call community. But what doesn’t exist for me, in a sense that I can grasp it with my mind anyway, is a community that encompasses all those smaller communities. It’s like I have little ways of belonging amid the ruins, along with others. I don’t know if we consciously recognize each other as part of some metaphysical reality, but we can recognize and participate in the work we do together.
Is the bigger sense of community possible? When I look at my family history, both sides, for the past 100 years or so (I don’t know much more) it looks like everything breaking down. There is no obvious, better way my forebears were doing things that I should emulate. Or even if they were doing something right, why did it not last beyond a generation?
On the other hand, I could see my various family, and my husband’s family as well, because now we are connected, as survivors. Of something. And perhaps my children can carry on surviving. Which, as Alice Munro reminds us, is not the same as being miserable. It is much more interesting.
Well said! Thank you.
Praying for you. I think we could be good friends.
I think so too.
A beautiful meditation; for which, much gratitude. Ivan Illich had seen this coming; his thoughts on silence can be found here: http://www.davidtinapple.com/illich/1983_silence_commons.html
On darkness and revelation, there's Henry Corbin's meditation "Theology by the Lakeside" which presents the vision that guided his lifetime exploration of mystical Islam. Tom Cheetham has it on his Substack "as variously as possible".
Rob- Thank you for the links. Illich is such a profound and subtle thinker. He saw it clearly 40 years ago and I am just now catching up! I will look into the Corbin essay. -Jack
Re: "Learning to see in the dark" - "Silence is naturally present." [Martin Laird] "Awareness is the eye of silence." [Martin Laird] "When you come to the conclusion that…awareness…does not dwell in or take support on anything whatsoever, rest right there." [Gerardo Abboud] "The silent mind knows that what sees the fear, the pain, the inner chaos, is free of the fear, pain, or chaos." [Martin Laird] "In the very natural condition of your mind, that state of things as they are, there is not the slightest taint, obscuration or anything considered impure that needs to be eliminated or expelled." [Gerardo Abboud] "Therefore, with trust and conviction, with joy and determination, remain in silence and rest in composure." [Gerardo Abboud]
This was beautiful. May we indeed learn to 'see in the dark'. When we get far enough from the artificial lights, the Heavens shine and may well guide our way.
Again meditating on and applying Isaiah 30:15, hope you are well.